why DO they do THAT....!!!!

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Why DO they do that…

Why do some choreographers feel its necessary to produce a dance with say 1^st January 2008 as the date it was choreographed… then reproduce the SAME dance but to a different piece of music and give it ANOTHER (later) date as choreographed. They may even give it another title (and aka the original title underneath...maybe).

Just WHO are they trying to fool… or con.

Are they just desperate to ‘add another’ dance to their roster – to boost their ego’s ???

If they see a market for the same dance to be done to another piece of music… then just add the music to the ‘alternatives’ on the step sheet… and resend it out. To put another date on it is just plain silly. There is nothing clever about doing that and in a way – its quite dishonest.

If any choreographer or other says ‘ohhh.. its ok … there’s no harm in it’, then it begs the question – why do it in the first place.. there MUST be some ulterior motive.

Also…. if they and others say there is nothing wrong with it….what would you say if (for example) I reproduce all the dances I have Choreographed… each one using one of the alternate pieces of music chosen at the time or later and given every one of them a new date of choreography. That ‘could’ mean an extra 1200 (twelve hundred) ‘NEW’ dances suddenly appearing on the scene by moi.

Choreographers - like, do me and anybody else that matters a big favour… and stop this bloody stupid immature practice

Gripe over….. now what’s for dinner….

Anyone else wanna get something off their chest..... lol!

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hi....

and here's something else.. Rolling Eyes

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Most people see these type of 'adverts' within forums web-sites magazines etc etc...

The ones where they state what dances they are doing that particular week reviews etc.... and you can tell what dances they are doing BEFORE you get to the next line... they are so predictable... but thats not the gripe... the gripe is this....

Why oh why do these very same people prattle on about 'we never look at the name of the choreographer when we try out a dance - it doesn't matter who its by... if its good - we'll do it'... what a crock o' shite affraid

... I know clubs 'may' Cool

have their favourite choreographers.... but surely to God... they dont have to use ONLY those dances by those SAME choreographers - week in week out even if they feel the dances are not 'up to par'.

They of course will say in return that their dancers know many dances by many other choreographers... and this may well be very true... BUT... did those dancers learn those 'other' dances somewhere else or even learn them themselves... I wouldn't be suprised if they did.

They will also come up with the usual banter that... the dancers would go somewhere else if they were not taught the 'top dances' [sic]. I have been to (line dance) clubs on a social night where only a couple of the so called 'chart' or 'top' dances were played - and the place was packed... with people enjoying their dancing and chatting (as a social SHOULD be).

Any views.... anyone...!!

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Hi Mike, at our club the instructor rarely if ever mentions who the choreographer is when teaching a dance. Don't ask me why. If we like the dance and the music we just get on and learn it. There are one or two clever so and so's who seem to know who the choreographer is by the steps in the dance. Or maybe someone told them before hand. The only way I get to know is if I see it on the dance sheet (which I can never follow ) or read it when the dance is published in line dancer mag.

Subject: Re: why DO they do THAT....!!!! Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:29 am

I was watchin the dvd from Crystal Boot Awards and friend (a dancer but not a line-dancer!) was watchin it also. The opening scene was a number of 'star' choreographers performing a medley of previous winning dances. My friend asked who they were and I explained they were some of the worlds most famous choreographers. Her exact words...

..."Hmm, well they might be famous but they doesnt make them good dancers"

Of course she wasnt referring to everyone, and if u read the magazine you'll know they only had a short time to practice the routine, and being a choreographer doesnt automatically make you comfortable dancing in front of hundreds of people and video cameras, but her point was that perhaps some choreographers are simply 'famous' rather than skilled at what they do. Question

And yes you can argue that to become 'famous' they must have great choreography skills otherwise no one would do their dances and they'd never get recognised in the first place. But maybe not? A bit of good publicity, controversy (only recently a fairly new choreographer became 'famous' over night after a bit of self-initiated controversy!!) or bribery can do wonders!! And people naturally warm to certain choreographers, for a hundred different reasons (not neccessarily dance-related!) and will do each and everyone of their dances even if one is styled to leave them hopping around the floor like a three-legged donkey! tongue

On a side note, im so glad this forum is here, cos i know damn well that if i posted this in other places it would get removed immediatly even tho none of it is my own personal opinion, no one is singled out or named and its merely an observation which could be proved completely wrong if someone would like to put forward a 'legitimate' argument!

Also, i admire anyone who tries their hand at choreography, whether theyre experienced, schooled, naturally talented or have no ability whatsoever but just enjoy doing it! Very Happy

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I love it that we call these choreographers 'famous'. Makes me laugh - they aren't famous. They may be well known in the world of line dance, possibly some are infamous but they are definitely not famous. Laughing

Subject: Re: why DO they do THAT....!!!! Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:26 pm

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hmmmm... increasingly noticable are the statements by some instructors when a couple of dances are already out to a particular dance that they are 'waiting for a dance from [a particular] choreographer first'.

Is this because the other one or two or more dances are 'not suitable' [sic] or because they are paranoid that they may teach the 'wrong dance'... but end up teaching the 'one they have been waiting for' but KNOWING its not as good as one (or all...lol) of the others - but STILL teaches and applaudes it - to save face (this has been touched on in another thread methinks).

Sometimes the first dance gets the hit... sometimes one that comes later. But very rarely (if ever) does the late one by a 'unknown' become a hit - even if it is technically and visually superior.
You may even find of course that Choreographers (even well known ones) will wait and see what other choreographers come up with and then produce their own - with, quite possibly elements of those other dances built in. The instructors will then look at this, the latest (and the 'one they have been waiting for') and proclaim it the 'bees knees'.

Yes I know Instructors like to all sing from the same songsheet - but dont you think this may/is stiffling choice and originality.... just a thought.

....and yes I AM aware that there ARE Instructors out there who 'buck the trend'... and may you keep up with this type of honesty for which I and others can only admire and applaud.

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Hi...

Just been watching a vid on youTube of a line dance done a'la hip Hop fashion at a recent European Open Competition. Nice dance... BUT (and this aint the first time something like this has happened) why has the choreographer (who was also part of the dancing troupe) insisted on using a piece of music littered with foul mouthed muttering. F**K, B***H were just two spattered about the music. This (I suppose) may be ok for todays 'youth' [sic] who say it in a 'matter of fact' way and basically aint got a clue what the words mean.. but surely.. not when a number of the audience were in their very early teens (and younger) -and even one of the dancing troupe who certainly looked to be no older than 10-12 (or even younger). There IS a time AND a place for this musical content.... the serious dance floor isn't the place OR should give it the time.
Of course the dance MAY be aimed at the 'young' [sic] dancer... and maybe the choreographer is trying to put forward a statement -but a statement for WHAT for gawwwd sake.

As I said... the dance is good - but the music used ain't.
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Subject: Re: why DO they do THAT....!!!! Thu May 01, 2008 6:03 pm

Thanks a lot Mike, I always thought to be the only one, not liking all the music dances are written to.....and to the other topic in here....I don´t have the problem to decide, what dance to take if there are two or even more.....our so called "Top Ten" are always about half a year behind yours, so you "over there" in fact decide, what will be danced over here...sometimes...the only difference is that our clubs still tend to enjoy more country music dances than others. And I´m happy to see, that there are still good dances written to country.
And they don´t have the "hmmm..it´s played in the radio, let´s dance it" thinking.....if that is good or bad, I can´t say Rolling Eyes

I can´t understand the races going on to create dances first. As I said, it always takes a bit before I even get aware of new dances and to be honest, if I see that there are already 2 or 3 written to one song, I tend to do none of them Wink

What I´d like to see is, that choreographers have a look for new music to their old dances and just tell us.....they shouldn´t put another date on it, I totally agree with you there !

WOW- havent´t written that much a loooong time

Pat

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Hiya Pat...

Phewwww.... what tablets are you on.. Very Happy

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A lot of people (and I include myself in that number) enjoy dancing to Country music (pushes new dance under the carpet before Pat see's it... Twisted Evil

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I have mentioned this many times and comes from research and observation.
At one time there were many many Country songs to choose from that were ideal for dances to be choreographed to - but over time these began to 'dry up' and so people looked at other genre's... simple as that. There are STILL cracking country tunes out there .... but not all that many that can be used for new (or even old) dances.
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Subject: Re: why DO they do THAT....!!!! Thu May 01, 2008 6:43 pm

Hi Mike,
should I send some of my tablets over ? lol!

What I wanted to say is that if you have a look at some linedance boards, all you see are dances with sometimes very strange music choices....and as I like to have heard the songs before deciding to teach it or not, I mostly have to wait weeks before the cds are available here, if they are published here at all.
Don´t get me wrong, I looooove lots of different styles of music, but the "this song is a hit and now we all have to dance it" thing isn´t mine....and, as I mentioned before, the majority of our dancers are still into country music and would tell me out, if I would come with "Mercy" Shocked

Soooo, if I want to dance on our socials, I have to do all the country ones and try to put some of the "others" in between.....
The other side is.....before we go on holidays I have my own LBC (linedance boot camp) to be able to dance with you fun

Pat

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...and don't forget...

In most cases the dance will only last as long as...

a) The music is in the charts
b) The music is available - most chart music becomes deleted as soon as it's out of the charts.... not like the 'good ol' days' when you could still go to your local record shop and either buy or order a single that was in the charts 12 months previously.
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Admin Joined : 03 Dec 2006 Posts : 410

The best way to get me back on the dance floor ........ More Country....... After all it used to be the only place I could go that understood my love of country music. Now it's becoming common for clubs to sneer at country music.

Also why a new dance for every track - surely old dances can fit new tracks.

sqwinney over Laughing

Subject: Re: why DO they do THAT....!!!! Fri May 02, 2008 2:25 pm

Yes, come on you choreographers, take the challenge and find some new music to your old songs...... FDRE

Bye the way......you´re right, Mike, most of the dances last as long the music is in the charts - next problem for us over here, because some music is published weeks/or month in England before it get´s published here, if at all Rolling Eyes

Pat

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ahhhh.... bring back Radio Luxembourg... scratch

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....and The Beat Club (Germany)... and of course... Ready Steady Go (UK)....bring those back and EVERYONE will know whats hot and whats not... music wise anyway.
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