SPOT THE DIFFERENCE...and he's at it again

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Its CHRISTMAS time….

Soooo… Christmas Day….after the Christmas Turkey (or not – if you are a vegetarian) and Pud… the Queens speech… what to do?????...

Well here’s an old game … ‘Spot The Difference’

And as we are all dancers…..

Spot The Difference between sayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy…..

Mercury Blue choreographed by Caz Robertson
and
Blue Mercury choreographed by Robert M. Lindsay

- other than the odd tap or touch that is.

Answers on a folded £20 note to be received no later than New Years Eve 2999 Very Happy

.

Ya gotta laff… but shake your head in disbelief .

Its sooooo sad when this sort of thing happens – and its probably not an isolated case either.

Glory Seeker Joined : 15 Feb 2007 Posts : 338

Well I have had a look & yer could be right Sherlock. Crying or Very sad

Very strange.

Another person posted the same question on a very popular message board & guess what........the thread was removed. Shocked

The plot thickens.

Admin Joined : 03 Dec 2006 Posts : 410

Thread removed Shocked

tsk that wouldn't happen over here. flower

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Wonder why.. If the question posted on the other message board was the same as the one here then it posed no threat. It was an enquiry about a (possible) very serious matter.
Whoever took it off might of been of the opinion that as the dances were old dances the matter was not relevent. But why remove the post/thread anyway.
It will now look to dancers/instructors/choreographers that there IS something someone is not telling us -and they hope by removing the post/thread the 'problem' will go away. In a morbid way.. it also appears they are giving a 'green flag' to anyone to copy someone elses dance - no matter how old or new that dance is.
According to one of the Choreographers (when I contacted them) they say that the dance was NOT written by the both of them. So that would blow away that idea if anyone had it. They go into more detail - but that is not for this board, but suffice to say it DOES appear that one of the choreographers copied the others dance. But, sorry... were/are they brain dead.. almost the same title and the same music.. and not forgetting the identical steps.

Anybody out there with an ounce of integrity (and removal of rose tinted glasses) will be wondering if ANY OTHER of these Choreographers (if thats a name they can honestly call themselves) dances have been 'borrowed/stolen' from someone else.

If ANY of these dances or the one named were to become mega floor fillers and possibly win competitions - who would lay claim to them... the one who is the most popular at the time?... the one who shouts the loudest ?. And maybe the person who DID choreograph does not get a mention... other than that they copied their own dance? Leaves a very bad taste in the mouth... but as everyone seems quite happy to point out... 'We are only here to have fun, we dont get involved in the politics'.
I thought the politics in Ballroom was bad - but oh my, they are childs play to what is seemingly going on within Linedancing... and by a small (but with friends in (low) high places) number of people.

Question... I KNOW what I would do if someone copied my dances... so why doesnt the other (innocent) party.

It seems a very sad indictment of the so called family spirit of Linedancing where everyone is great chums with everyone else if (maybe) the original Choreographer doesn’t want to cause ‘any fuss’ .
Possibly because they are trying to get on the ladder of Stardom/recognition (which could mean extra revenue) and they don’t want to rock the boat at this stage.

Subject: Re: SPOT THE DIFFERENCE...and he's at it again Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:46 pm

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hi,

Latest news as at around 5.30 - when I opened my e-mail.

It appears Linedancer (Steve Healy) has become 'concerned' enough to request/demand info about the dance from both Choreographers. One of them has given an account PLUS undeniable evidence that the dance was written by them. According to that person it appears Linedancer (Steve Healy) wants this serious matter to remain low key and 'not rocking the boat' - just yet as events unfold.
This could be very true as the Crystal Boot Awards take place in the New Year and votes are still being sent in (arn't they??).

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Had to laugh at this one...

It would appear the posting was taken off because its was... Inflammatory.. Well.. according to Hank (he never uses the the last letter of his first name... which is an 'e') ...(posting on Danzworld)

Hi All

It was removed because Admin thought it was inflamitory (quite right). IMHO Jem was well set up to post it. Making bullets is quite an old trick.

Hank

It begs the question.. How would he know why LD took it off.. they dont tell anyone why they take posts off - and if they do.. they tell everyone by posting the reason. Could be HE is the one coming up with Inflammatory statements.
Anyway.. as people who know me or know of me... I'm big enough, wise enough and certainly old enough to fire my own bullets. Yeah, it may on the odd occasion get me into a bit of bother - but I can back up my 'bullets' with hard facts - and maybe thats what some people don't like - tough. If I see an injustice and I can do something to even up the playing field... I will - and I'm not alone in this thinking.

Glory Seeker Joined : 15 Feb 2007 Posts : 338

Yeah, it may on the odd occasion get me into a bit of bother -

Gosh, really, I am surprised affraid

Admin Joined : 03 Dec 2006 Posts : 410

Plagarism of dances. Shocked

is that the right word Embarassed

Censorship of free speech Shocked

what is the world of line dance coming too. Wink

?

tsk tsk

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hiya,

Yep.. thats the right word. Its nowt new.. and has been around for a while in Linedancing.

Noticed that the posting on Danzworld has been taken off. I suspect it may well have been the same person who got the post removed from the LDmb. Who knows. Its Danzworlds choice at the end of the day. I think they really should be asking WHY the two dances are the same - but it appears not.

What HAS to be asked is... what is this persons motive in seeing sites remove Julies or my posting. Has they some sort of vested interest in the success of one of the Choreographers.

I seem to recall Hank voiced HIS opinions at the time when there was a similar post on LDmb regarding Queen Of My Heart and he got VERY stroppy when I would not give details on the mb of an email I had recieved about that dance - I directed them to Linedancer and Steve Healy. It was Hank who actually gave my the original web site and email address. It appears he has nothing but contempt anyone who voices theirs - or in this case ask a simple question - especially if its not in line with his) - and that was removed. Was there a vested interest in this choreographer.??.

Dont forget though... that Hank speaks for most of the Linedancers.. cos he said so.

Strange that all the dances in question emerged in 2001.

Its the innocent people who are getting kicked in the teeth whilst they are down that I object to - some people though obviously relish it.

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hi,

I have now been informed (and checked) that the Robert M Lindsay 'version' (Blue Mercury) has been removed from the LINEDANCER MAGAZINE dance site. Other dance sites, such as KICKIT, have already removed the Robert M Lindsay version.

It also appears (according to a very reputible dance site) that there are or have been another 5 or 6 other dances either being looked into or have been removed.

I tried to see if the Robert M Lindsay dance was still on his own site. Now it seems as if his web site http://www.robertmlindsay.co.uk/ has closed down...well..it's 'not available'.

To be totally honest, I feel ashamed (for dancing in general) that people resort to dispicable acts like this - simply to feed their own vanity...and in the process destroy the credibilty of any innocent party. Its not the first time .. and (sorry to say) I doubt it will be the last.

Makes one wonder about some of the newer dances now doesnt it

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Hi...

Don't panic y'all.. Mr. Lindsay's site is 'back on line'... minus Blue Mercury.

Noticed his dance 'Starting Over Again' is exactly the same as his 2000 dance ....'Starting Over' - which he has removed from his site. The only difference is the title... so why change the Choreographed date and make it appear as if its a NEW dance.
Might have been because Scooch were recently back in the picture with the Eurovision and he wanted to get a head start so to speak.

...anyway he's back - just thought I would let you know.

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Interesting......

On the very same web site ..the one that removed the question regarding the 'Mercury' dance.. is another....

it appears someone has mentioned the dance called 'The Bug' ( bounce

hehe... I remember doing that one in... ooooh.. around 1997/ Cool

as choreographed by a certain Vern Elliott. Then someone mention's the fact that there is ANOTHER dance on the site .. again called 'The Bug'.. but choreographed by someone called Peter Michael Burke... strange thing is (according to a poster) both dances - barring 3 counts - are ..... identical.

Just thought I would pass on this tit-bit of info (and wonder how long - if ever- the powers that be remove THAT thread).

Admin Age : 57 Joined : 21 Feb 2007 Posts : 743

Obviously, as the thread is STILL on... there is no 'vested interest' from certain quarters.. None of the choreographers are well know.....

... But it appears Flimsey Lindsay (he with dillusions of something ....) is STILL at it..... this guy aint real.. more to follow!!

Admin Joined : 03 Dec 2006 Posts : 410

oh dear have I failed in my moderating duties? was I supposed to remove this thread? Embarassed